Exactly 😂. The v1146 fix you pasted is still solv...

Created on: September 14, 2026

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TennisLocks_FINAL_v1145_BO3_NONIID_SET_TRANSITION_20260913.txt

Exactly 😂. The v1146 fix you pasted is still solving the wrong problem.

In BO3 there is no separate P2 knob:

P2 + P3 = 1

So taking P2 down means P3 must actually go up.

Your v1145 already wires that correctly. It literally sets:

targetP2: 1 - targetP3

and later reconciles the PMF using {2: 1-targetP3, 3: targetP3}.

The problem is earlier than P2.

With your example:

  • structural P3 = 47.9%
  • structural P2 = 52.1%

The proposed v1146 logic says:

if transition wants to lower P3, clamp that adjustment to zero.

So it becomes:

  • P3 47.9 → 47.9
  • P2 52.1 → 52.1

That isn’t a repair. That’s a parking brake. 🅿️

What actually has to happen

For this matchup to become even a LEAN OVER, probability mass must physically move:

  • P3 47.9 → at least 55.0
  • P2 52.1 → at most 45.0

That’s a 7.1 percentage-point transfer from the straight-set lanes into the three-set lanes.

And v1145’s exact-score PMF shows where that mass lives:

  • Droguet 2-0
  • Droguet 2-1
  • Kjaer 0-2
  • Kjaer 1-2

If P3 rises, the combined 2-1 + 1-2 mass must rise while the combined 2-0 + 0-2 mass falls. Winner probability can stay 65% while that happens.

The deeper problem I see in v1145

This function is still the suspicious part:

tlBo3StationaryTransitionFromDeltaV1145

It takes one pooled transition contrast and constructs:

  • qAfterWin
  • qAfterLoss

while explicitly forcing:

stationaryCheck = q*qAfterWin + (1-q)*qAfterLoss

back onto the original set-win marginal.

Then v1145 computes:

nonIidP3 - iidP3

and adds that difference to structural P3. TennisLocks_FINAL_v1145_BO3_NONIID_SET_TRANSITION_20260913.txt

For the +0.447 transition contrast you’re talking about, that mechanism interprets the history as persistence:

win one set → more likely to win the next

Persistence creates more sweeps, therefore it pushes P2 up, not down.

Clipping that negative P3 movement to zero just removes the extra Under pressure. It does not reverse it into three-set pressure.

So v1146 should NOT be shipped like that

The next thing to test is the two branches separately rather than the pooled stationary contrast:

P3=q_1r_{A\rightarrow B}+(1-q_1)r_{B\rightarrow A}

where:

  • rA→B = probability B reverses after A wins S1
  • rB→A = probability A reverses after B wins S1

Those are the quantities capable of taking P2 down.

For example, with q1 = 60%:

  • reversal after A wins = 58%
  • reversal after B wins = 63%

then:

P3=.60(.58)+.40(.63)=60.0%

and automatically:

P2=40.0%

Boom. P2 actually falls.

The next trace needs to answer one thing before changing another coefficient: do Droguet/Kjaer’s two separately constructed live branches actually indicate reversal, while v1145’s pooled +0.447 contrast is hiding it?

If yes, we found the remaining bug and should delete tlBo3StationaryTransitionFromDeltaV1145 and the pooled stationary-delta owner entirely.

If both genuine branches also say persistence, then forcing P2 downward would just be manufacturing an Over. That’s the distinction we need to settle next.

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You are not asking me to merely stop P3 from being dragged down. You're asking why the model is not actually moving probability mass out of P2 and into P3 when the matchup looks like a real three-set candidate.

We have been trying to get p3 to raise but it’s hard when p2 keeps rising lol

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import math def logit(x): return math.log(x/(1-x)) def solve(q, delta): eps=1e-9 lo,hi=eps,1-eps if q>.5: lo=max(lo,(2*q-1)/q+eps) def q0(q1): return q*(1-q1)/(1-q) def f(q1): a=q1;b=q0(q1) return logit(a)-logit(b)-delta flo,fhi=f(lo),f(hi) if flo>=0:q1=lo elif fhi<=0:q1=hi else: for _ in range(80): mid=(lo+hi)/2 if f(mid)>0: hi=mid else: lo=mid q1=(lo+hi)/2 b=q0(q1) p3=q*(1-q1)+(1-q)*b return q1,b,p3 solve(.6,.447) (0.6430799462484083, 0.5353800806273876, 0.4283040645019101)

Thought

There’s a second bug upstream that matters even more: the evidence builder counts every adjacent set transition in a three-set match. So a 2–1/1–2 match contributes both S1→S2 and S2→S3, even though P3 is decided entirely by whether S2 reverses S1.

That means the current statistic is contaminated by decider behavior conditional on already reaching three sets. The repair should therefore be: first transition only + two matchup-oriented reversal branches + shrink toward the structural branch baselines. IPF can stay; it already enforces the requested P2/P3 margin while preserving Winner.

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Answer

Yep 😂 — I found the actual issue. You’re fighting the equation upstream, not P2 downstream.

The bug is bigger than the v1146 clamp

v1145 currently does three things that are wrong for the question “will this match reach Set 3?”:

  1. It pools both players into one generic serial-transition contrast.
  2. It forces that contrast through _tlBo3StationaryTransitionFromDeltaV1145_, which preserves the original set-win marginal.
  3. It counts S2→S3 transitions too, even though P3 is determined entirely by whether S1→S2 reverses. (TennisLocks_FINAL_v1145_BO3_NONIID_SET_TRANSITION_20260913.txt)

Then it computes:

P3transition=q(1qAfterWin)+(1q)qAfterLossP3_{transition} =q(1-qAfterWin)+(1-q)qAfterLoss

and adds the difference versus IID P3 onto structural P3. (TennisLocks_FINAL_v1145_BO3_NONIID_SET_TRANSITION_20260913.txt)

So with your example q1 = 0.60 and positive stationary contrast +0.447, the current solver approximately produces:

  • qAfterWin = 64.3%
  • qAfterLoss = 53.5%
  • IID P3 = 48.0%
  • transition P3 = 42.8%
  • transition delta = -5.2 pp

Therefore structural P3:

47.9% → ~42.7%

and automatically:

P2 52.1% → ~57.3%

So yeah. 😂 P2 isn't mysteriously fighting you. v1145 is literally telling P2 to rise.

Clamping that −5.2 pp to zero gives 47.9/52.1, which is exactly the parking brake you described.


The correct owner is S1→S2 reversal

For BO3 Over 2.5, there are only two relevant branches:

P3=q1rAB+(1q1)rBAP3=q_1r_{A\rightarrow B}+(1-q_1)r_{B\rightarrow A}

where:

  • rABr_{A\rightarrow B} = B wins Set 2 after A wins Set 1.
  • rBAr_{B\rightarrow A} = A wins Set 2 after B wins Set 1.

That's it.

S2→S3 must not enter the P3 estimator at all.

Right now v1145 loops through every adjacent transition:

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for(var j=0;j<q.wins.length-1;j++)

so a three-set match contributes two observations. (TennisLocks_FINAL_v1145_BO3_NONIID_SET_TRANSITION_20260913.txt)

Change the live BO3 history measurement to only wins[0] → wins[1].


The two branches should be built cross-player

This is the key part.

Suppose A wins S1.

Evidence that B can reverse comes from two complementary histories:

  • A's history of losing the next set after winning the prior set
  • B's history of winning the next set after losing the prior set

So:

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A→B reversal evidence: A_after_win_then_loss + B_after_loss_then_win

Likewise:

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B→A reversal evidence: B_after_win_then_loss + A_after_loss_then_win

From the counters already collected by v1145:

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A_after_win_then_loss = a.afterWinN - a.afterWinNextWin; A_after_loss_then_win = a.afterLossNextWin; B_after_win_then_loss = b.afterWinN - b.afterWinNextWin; B_after_loss_then_win = b.afterLossNextWin;

Therefore:

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sAB = (a.afterWinN - a.afterWinNextWin) + b.afterLossNextWin; nAB = a.afterWinN + b.afterLossN; sBA = (b.afterWinN - b.afterWinNextWin) + a.afterLossNextWin; nBA = b.afterWinN + a.afterLossN;

That is the matchup-oriented information your current pooled delta destroys.


Don't shrink toward 50%

There's one more subtle fix.

The structural baseline for the two branches isn't 50/50.

With first-set A probability qq:

rABbase=1qr^{base}_{A\rightarrow B}=1-q

and

rBAbase=qr^{base}_{B\rightarrow A}=q

So if q = .60, the baseline reversal branches are:

  • A wins S1 → B reversal = 40%
  • B wins S1 → A reversal = 60%

That naturally produces:

.60(.40)+.40(.60)=48%.60(.40)+.40(.60)=48\%

which is your IID reference.

Therefore shrink each live branch toward its appropriate structural branch, not toward .5, and definitely don't force the two rates to satisfy a stationary marginal equation.


Candidate replacement

The core should look like this:

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function _tlBo3ReversalBranchesV1147_(q,a,b){ q=_tlBo3ProbV1145_(q); a=a||{}; b=b||{}; if(!Number.isFinite(q)) return {valid:false,usable:false,reason:'FIRST_SET_PROB_INVALID'}; // A won S1 -> B must reverse in S2. var sAB = Math.max(0,Number(a.afterWinN)||0) - Math.max(0,Number(a.afterWinNextWin)||0) + Math.max(0,Number(b.afterLossNextWin)||0); var nAB = Math.max(0,Number(a.afterWinN)||0) + Math.max(0,Number(b.afterLossN)||0); // B won S1 -> A must reverse in S2. var sBA = Math.max(0,Number(b.afterWinN)||0) - Math.max(0,Number(b.afterWinNextWin)||0) + Math.max(0,Number(a.afterLossNextWin)||0); var nBA = Math.max(0,Number(b.afterWinN)||0) + Math.max(0,Number(a.afterLossN)||0); var baseAB=1-q; var baseBA=q; /* * Preserve the conservative spirit of v1145, * but center the prior on the structural branch. * * PRIOR_N must be forward-validated; do NOT tune * this number to make a particular match reach 55%. */ var PRIOR_N=12; var rAB=(sAB + PRIOR_N*baseAB) / Math.max(1e-12,nAB+PRIOR_N); var rBA=(sBA + PRIOR_N*baseBA) / Math.max(1e-12,nBA+PRIOR_N); var completeAB= Number(a.afterWinN)>0 && Number(b.afterLossN)>0; var completeBA= Number(b.afterWinN)>0 && Number(a.afterLossN)>0; var usable= completeAB && completeBA && nAB>=2 && nBA>=2; return { valid:nAB>0||nBA>0, usable:usable, rAtoB:rAB, rBtoA:rBA, rawAtoB:nAB>0?sAB/nAB:NaN, rawBtoA:nBA>0?sBA/nBA:NaN, successesAtoB:sAB, trialsAtoB:nAB, successesBtoA:sBA, trialsBtoA:nBA, baselineAtoB:baseAB, baselineBtoA:baseBA, reason:usable ?'BO3_DIRECTIONAL_REVERSAL_BRANCHES_READY' :'BO3_DIRECTIONAL_BRANCH_EVIDENCE_INCOMPLETE' }; }

Then the P3 target becomes extremely simple:

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function _tlBo3TransitionTargetV1147_(firstSetP,structuralP3,a,b){ var q=_tlBo3ProbV1145_(firstSetP); var p3=Number(structuralP3); if(!Number.isFinite(q)||!(p3>=0&&p3<=1)) return { valid:false, applied:false, reason:'BO3_TRANSITION_INPUT_INVALID' }; var br=_tlBo3ReversalBranchesV1147_(q,a,b); if(!br.usable) return { valid:true, applied:false, reason:br.reason, targetP3:p3, targetP2:1-p3, structuralP3:p3, branches:br }; var iidP3= q*(1-q) + (1-q)*q; var branchP3= q*br.rAtoB + (1-q)*br.rBtoA; /* * Preserve the canonical structural root. * Transition evidence owns only the NON-IID residual. */ var delta=branchP3-iidP3; var targetP3=Math.max( 1e-6, Math.min(1-1e-6,p3+delta) ); return { valid:true, applied:Math.abs(targetP3-p3)>1e-12, reason:'DIRECTIONAL_S1_S2_REVERSAL_APPLIED_V1147', firstSetP:q, structuralP3:p3, iidReferenceP3:iidP3, directionalTransitionP3:branchP3, p3Delta:targetP3-p3, targetP3:targetP3, targetP2:1-targetP3, rAtoB:br.rAtoB, rBtoA:br.rBtoA, branches:br }; }

And delete this from the BO3 live path

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_tlBo3StationaryTransitionFromDeltaV1145_

along with the pooled stationary owner:

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rawDelta effectiveTransitionDeltaLogOdds qAfterWin qAfterLoss stationaryCheck

Those can remain in a research diagnostic temporarily if you want to compare v1145 versus the new branch model, but they should not own P3.


Most important data-builder change

This:

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for(var j=0;j<q.wins.length-1;j++){ ... }

should become effectively:

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var prev=!!q.wins[0]; var next=!!q.wins[1]; out.transitions++; if(prev===next) out.stays++; else out.reversals++; if(prev){ out.afterWinN++; if(next) out.afterWinNextWin++; }else{ out.afterLossN++; if(next) out.afterLossNextWin++; }

Only S1→S2.

Otherwise you're using Set 3 to predict whether Set 3 exists. That's conditioning on the outcome you're trying to estimate.


Your 60/58/63 example now behaves correctly

Suppose:

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q1 = 60% rA→B = 58% rB→A = 63%

Then:

P3branch=.60(.58)+.40(.63)=.600P3_{branch} =.60(.58)+.40(.63) =.600

IID reference:

P3iid=2(.60)(.40)=.480P3_{iid}=2(.60)(.40)=.480

So transition residual:

+.120+.120

If structural P3 is 47.9%:

47.9+12.0=59.9%47.9 + 12.0 = 59.9\%

Therefore:

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P3: 47.9% → 59.9% P2: 52.1% → 40.1%

That is the behavior you've been trying to get.

Not because we're forcing an Over, but because both target-oriented reversal branches genuinely say the second set is more likely to flip than the stationary point root expects.


IPF is not the problem

Your downstream wiring is actually doing the right thing.

v1145 explicitly sends:

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{'2':1-targetP3,'3':targetP3}

into _tlIpFWinnerLength_(). (TennisLocks_FINAL_v1145_BO3_NONIID_SET_TRANSITION_20260913.txt)

And that IPF function simultaneously targets:

  • winner row = pA
  • P2/P3 columns = requested set counts. (TennisLocks_FINAL_v1145_BO3_NONIID_SET_TRANSITION_20260913.txt)

So with Winner = 65% and target P3 = 55%:

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2-0 + 2-1 = 65% 0-2 + 1-2 = 35% 2-0 + 0-2 = 45% 2-1 + 1-2 = 55%

IPF determines the least-distorting allocation of those four cells relative to the structural PMF.

And _tlBo3ExactScoreRoot_() subsequently derives P2 and P3 directly from those four cells; there isn't another hidden P2 adjustment afterward. (TennisLocks_FINAL_v1145_BO3_NONIID_SET_TRANSITION_20260913.txt)

So once the upstream target says P3 = 55%, the mass actually moves.


The trace I would add before touching any coefficient

For Droguet/Kjaer, print exactly:

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[BO3 REVERSAL TRACE] q1 A = xx.x% structural P3 = 47.9% structural P2 = 52.1% A: after S1 win -> S2 loss = x / n after S1 loss -> S2 win = x / n B: after S1 win -> S2 loss = x / n after S1 loss -> S2 win = x / n A->B branch: A lead-surrender evidence = x/n B response evidence = x/n combined raw = xx.x% shrunk = xx.x% structural baseline = xx.x% B->A branch: B lead-surrender evidence = x/n A response evidence = x/n combined raw = xx.x% shrunk = xx.x% structural baseline = xx.x% IID P3 = xx.x% branch P3 = xx.x% P3 residual = +/-x.x pp structural P3 = 47.9% target P3 = xx.x% target P2 = xx.x% PMF BEFORE: 2-0 / 2-1 / 0-2 / 1-2 PMF AFTER IPF: 2-0 / 2-1 / 0-2 / 1-2

That trace settles the question immediately.

The decision rule is then clean

If both directional branches produce enough reversal pressure that:

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directional transition P3 > IID reference P3

then structural P3 must rise and P2 must fall.

If:

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directional transition P3 < IID reference P3

then the matchup evidence really does indicate persistence, and P2 should rise.

No sign clamp. No minimum-55 hack. No Over floor.

That's the distinction you've been looking for.

One limitation: the uploaded source contains the code that reads the live Match Inputs sheet, but it does not contain Droguet/Kjaer's actual visible row values, so I can't truthfully tell you yet whether their two branches are reversal or persistence. But the code diagnosis is clear: first-transition-only directional reversal branches are the next model to trace; the pooled stationary delta is the wrong P3 owner.

Do you want to test the directional-branch replacement first, or inspect the Droguet/Kjaer branch trace before changing the model?

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