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我刚到一站离始发点很远的公交车站。这里只有一条线，86号公交车。这辆车总是每15分钟从始发点准时发出...

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سؤال

我刚到一站离始发点很远的公交车站。这里只有一条线，86号公交车。这辆车总是每15分钟从始发点准时发出，所以到这一站的平均间隔也是15分钟。但是由于路上总可能有一些问题，所以公交车到站的时间分布服从正态分布，标准差是2分钟。现在，我没戴表，也不知道时刻表。所以可以认为我是随机时间到这个车站的。我想知道我在3分钟内等到至少一班公交车的概率有多少？

الفكرة

Translating the problem

The user is asking about the probability of catching at least one bus within a 3-minute interval when arriving randomly at a bus stop. Given that the buses on this route are scheduled to arrive every 15 minutes, with arrival times following a normal distribution and a standard deviation of 2 minutes, I think this issue can be approached using concepts from probability theory—specifically, normal distribution and waiting times. Now, I'll try to calculate the probability of an arrival time falling within this 3-minute window.

Clarifying the problem

I’m dealing with a bus schedule where buses leave the starting point every 15 minutes, but their actual arrival times at my bus stop follow a normal distribution with a mean equal to the scheduled time and a standard deviation of 2 minutes. So, I’m not sure if the arrivals are perfectly on time or if there's slight randomness. Given that I arrive randomly at the bus stop, I'm trying to figure out the chance I'll wait no more than 3 minutes to catch a bus, considering this variability.

Breaking down the probability

The user’s asking about the probability of catching a bus within a 3-minute wait, given a periodic bus schedule and random delays. The buses are scheduled every 15 minutes, but their actual arrival times are shifted by a normally distributed error with a mean of 0 and a standard deviation of 2 minutes. My arrival time is random, and the waiting time depends on the random error and how my arrival aligns with the next scheduled bus. Next, I’ll calculate the probability that the wait time is less than or equal to 3 minutes.

Calculating waiting time probability

The user is exploring the probability of waiting no more than 3 minutes for a bus, given random delays. Buses leave on a fixed schedule for 15 minutes, but their actual arrival times vary due to normally distributed delays (mean = 0, standard deviation = 2 minutes). They consider two cases based on their arrival time in relation to the bus schedule: either catching the current bus or waiting for the next one. They're integrating over all possible arrival times to compute the overall probability of a waiting time of 3 minutes or less.

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Reasoned for 2m 20s

الإجابة

我们可以这样思考这个问题：

  • 86路公交车从始发点每15分钟发一次，按照时刻表，到站“理想情况下”的间隔也是15分钟。
  • 但实际上，每班车到达该站的时间存在随机波动，假设这个波动服从均值为0、标准差为2分钟的正态分布。
  • 你到站的时间可看作在两班“理想到站时刻”之间均匀随机取一个时刻。设你与上一班车时刻的时间差为 u u（u∈[0,15] u\in[0,15]），那么下一班车的“理想到站时刻”为 u+15 u+15 分钟前（上一班）和 15−u15-u 分钟后（下一班）的转换节点。但实际上，每班车实际到达时间为“计划时刻＋正态扰动”。

具体分析时，可以分两种情况考虑：

  1. 上一班车还未到（延误足够大，使得其实际到达时间在你到达之后）
    设上一班车的延误为 E0∼N(0,22) E_0\sim N(0,2^2)。如果 E0>u E_0>u ，你将等到它到达，此时等待时间为 E0−u E_0-u；你能在3分钟内赶上这班车的条件是

    u<E0≤u+3.u < E_0 \le u+3.

    其概率为

    P(u<E0≤u+3)=Φ(u+32)−Φ(u2).P(u<E_0\le u+3)=\Phi\Big(\frac{u+3}{2}\Big)-\Phi\Big(\frac{u}{2}\Big).

  2. 上一班车已经到了（即 E0≤u E_0\le u），你错过了它，此时你要等下一班车
    设下一班车的延误为 E1∼N(0,22) E_1\sim N(0,2^2)（独立于上一班车）。它的“计划到站时刻”为比上一班车晚15分钟，因此你等待的时间为

    (15−u)+E1.(15-u)+E_1.

    要在3分钟内赶上下一班车，需要

    (15−u)+E1≤3,即E1≤u−12.(15-u)+E_1\le3,\quad\text{即}\quad E_1\le u-12.

    同时，上班车已经来的概率为 Φ(u2) \Phi\Big(\frac{u}{2}\Big)。故这一情况的概率为

    Φ(u2)⋅Φ(u−122).\Phi\Big(\frac{u}{2}\Big)\cdot \Phi\Big(\frac{u-12}{2}\Big).

综合起来，给定你在某个 u u 时到站（u u在0到15分钟内均匀分布），在3分钟内赶到公交的条件概率为

P(W≤3∣u)=[Φ(u+32)−Φ(u2)]+Φ(u2)⋅Φ(u−122).P(W\le3\mid u)=\Big[\Phi\Big(\frac{u+3}{2}\Big)-\Phi\Big(\frac{u}{2}\Big)\Big] + \Phi\Big(\frac{u}{2}\Big)\cdot \Phi\Big(\frac{u-12}{2}\Big).

最后，再对 u u 做均匀平均，得到总体概率

P(W≤3)=115∫015{Φ(u+32)−Φ(u2)+Φ(u2)Φ(u−122)} du.P(W\le3)=\frac{1}{15}\int_0^{15}\Big\{\Phi\Big(\frac{u+3}{2}\Big)-\Phi\Big(\frac{u}{2}\Big)+\Phi\Big(\frac{u}{2}\Big)\Phi\Big(\frac{u-12}{2}\Big)\Big\}\,du.

经过数值积分（例如用辛普森法或梯形法，利用较细的步长积分），这个积分大约等于3.8～3.9，除以15后得到的概率大约为25%。

因此，在这种模型下，你在3分钟内等到至少一班公交车的概率大约为25%。

سؤال

你算的结果有问题，这是一个典型的更新问题，请重新计算。

الفكرة

Evaluating probability

So, here's the problem: The arrival times of bus number 86 follow a normal distribution with a standard deviation of 2 minutes, and buses leave every 15 minutes from the origin. I'm randomly arriving at the bus stop, hoping to catch at least one bus within 3 minutes.

It seems I might have made an error in my previous calculations, so now I need to reassess how to calculate the probability correctly. Let's work through this more carefully.

Recalculating probability

Okay, so I need to recalculate and carefully consider the problem. The schedule is that buses depart every 15 minutes exactly, but the arrival times at the bus stop have a normal distribution (mean 0, standard deviation 2 minutes). These arrival times are independent from each other. I arrive at the bus stop randomly, and the time since the last scheduled bus departure is uniformly distributed between 0 and 15 minutes.

Now, I need to find how these factors work together to calculate the probability of waiting 3 minutes or less.

Reassessing the calculation

I need to reassess the problem involving bus arrival times. The arrival times of Bus 0 and Bus 1 depend on random variables, and I had calculated the waiting time probability based on these. The expression involves calculating conditional probabilities for each bus. After integrating over all possible offsets (with a uniform distribution between 0 and 15), I’d approximated the result to around 25%. But the user says the result is incorrect, and I’m wondering if I misunderstood how early buses might arrive.

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Calculating waiting time probability

I'm working with a renewal process for bus arrivals, so the waiting time can be tricky because the interval lengths aren't fixed — they have some variability. The probability that the waiting time is <=3 minutes is based on the distribution of these intervals.

So, after going through the math, I keep landing on around a 20% chance, which fits with what I expect for a uniform distribution if there weren't variability. However, given the intervals are variable, that might slightly alter the probability, but still, it's about 20%.

Finalizing waiting time probability

After working through the math, I’m consistently getting that the probability the waiting time is <= 3 minutes is 20%. This matches the renewal theory model and reflects the effect of variability in the intervals. The initial estimate of 25% was based on the assumption that arrival times were uniform relative to the schedule, which wasn’t the right approach due to the variability in bus intervals. The final answer seems to be 20%.

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الإجابة

下面给出更精确的推导。由于公交车从始发点出发的时刻是每15分钟一班，但由于路况波动，每班车到站时间会有正态扰动（均值0，标准差2分钟）。设第 k 班车实际到站时间为

Ak=15k+Xk,Xk∼N(0,4),A_k=15k+X_k,\quad X_k\sim N(0,4),

那么相邻两班车之间的间隔为

I=Ak+1−Ak=15+(Xk+1−Xk).I=A_{k+1}-A_k=15+(X_{k+1}-X_k).

注意 Xk+1−XkX_{k+1}-X_k 服从均值0、方差4+4=84+4=8的正态分布，因此

I∼N(15,8).I\sim N(15,8).

对于一个更新过程（renewal process），随机到站的乘客“看到”的间隔并非简单的定值15分钟，而是“长间隔更容易被遇到”。也就是说，如果在某个间隔中到站，其到站时刻在该间隔内是均匀分布的，但间隔本身的概率密度要按长度加权。更精确地说，设原始间隔密度为 fI(t)f_I(t)，那么随机选择一个时刻落在间隔长度为 tt 的区间的概率密度为

f∗(t)=t fI(t)E[I].f^*(t)=\frac{t\,f_I(t)}{E[I]}.

给定间隔长度 tt（t≥0t\ge0），乘客在该区间中落点均匀分布，于是他的等待时间 R=t−uR=t-u（其中 u∼\mboxUniform(0,t)u\sim\mbox{Uniform}(0,t)）满足：

  • 若 t≤3t\le3，无论落在何处，都必然等待不超过3分钟，即 P(R≤3∣t)=1P(R\le3\mid t)=1；
  • 若 t>3t>3，只有落在区间后3分钟内（即 u≥t−3u\ge t-3）才能等到车，概率为 3t\frac{3}{t}。

因此，总的等车时间不超过3分钟的概率为

P(R≤3)=∫0∞P(R≤3∣t) f∗(t) dt=1E[I][∫03t fI(t) dt+∫3∞3 fI(t) dt].P(R\le3)=\int_0^{\infty}P(R\le3\mid t)\,f^*(t)\,dt =\frac{1}{E[I]}\Biggl[\int_0^3 t\,f_I(t)\,dt+\int_3^\infty 3\,f_I(t)\,dt\Biggr].

由于 E[I]=15E[I]=15 且 I∼N(15,8)I\sim N(15,8)（绝大部分概率集中在远大于3的区间里，几乎不可能出现 I<3I<3），可以近似写为

P(R≤3)≈115⋅3∫3∞fI(t) dt≈315=0.20.P(R\le3)\approx\frac{1}{15}\cdot 3\int_3^\infty f_I(t)\,dt\approx\frac{3}{15}=0.20.

也就是说，你在3分钟内等到至少一班公交车的概率约为20%。

【说明】
之前若简单地假设自己落在两个“计划时刻”之间，认为落点 uu 在 [0,15][0,15] 上均匀分布，会得到概率

315≈20%\frac{3}{15}\approx 20\%

——但这方法没有考虑更新效应（即长间隔更易被抽到的问题）。在本题中，由于绝大多数间隔都远大于3分钟，更新效应实际上使得随机到达时等待时间的分布与“理想情况”下（定时发车）的结果相近，即概率约20%。

因此，重新计算后得到的答案是：约20%。

سؤال

如果标准差是15分钟，那这个概率是多少？

الفكرة

Revising bus schedule assumptions

The user asks about the probability with a 15-minute standard deviation — updating the previous assumption. The bus is still scheduled to depart every 15 minutes, but now the delay's standard deviation is 15 minutes, not 2. The bus arrival times are now: A_k = 15k + X_k, where X_k is normal with standard deviation 15. Therefore, the difference between successive arrivals, I = 15 + (X_{k+1} - X_k), follows a normal distribution with mean 15 and variance 450. Hmm, this includes potentially negative intervals. Interesting.

Clarifying the distribution model

I'm wondering if a normally distributed arrival time shift, allowing for negative intervals, is physically possible. In this problem, negative intervals don't make sense, but the normal distribution is an idealized approximation. To find the waiting probability, I'll calculate the integral with the adjusted distribution. It gets tricky because the probability of negative intervals isn’t negligible (0.24), so assuming normal distribution with intervals less than 0 could be a bit problematic. But standard models like renewal theory usually assume I > 0. It's just an approximation.

Calculating waiting probability

I’m working on the waiting probability P(R ≤ 3) with a normal distribution model. First, I calculated the probability for negative intervals, which turned out to be 24%, which seems too large for a physical model. Moving on to the integral for P(R ≤ 3), I broke it into A and B integrals. After computing B (roughly 0.714), I used the truncated moment formula to evaluate A, which was about 0.045. The small value of A makes sense since the probability of the waiting time being less than 3 is quite low.

Considering interval distribution and truncation

So, the issue here is that with a normal distribution for arrival intervals and a large standard deviation, we're getting a probability that intervals could be negative, which doesn't make sense physically. The model might need to be adjusted, possibly truncating the distribution to ensure always positive intervals. The problem's renewal theory assumes positive intervals, so the large probability of negative intervals at σ=15 complicates things. Still, I’m calculating probabilities based on truncated distributions where necessary and evaluating how this impacts the waiting time and assumptions about inter-arrival intervals.

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الإجابة

下面我们给出一个更严谨的推导过程。设公交始发时间为 0、15、30……分钟，但由于路况波动，每一班车实际到站时间为

Ak=15k+Xk,Xk∼N(0,152),A_k = 15k + X_k,\quad X_k\sim N(0,15^2),

那么相邻两班车的实际间隔为

I=Ak+1−Ak=15+(Xk+1−Xk).I = A_{k+1} - A_k = 15 + (X_{k+1} - X_k).

由于 Xk+1X_{k+1} 与 XkX_k 独立，故有

Xk+1−Xk∼N(0,152+152)=N(0,450),X_{k+1} - X_k \sim N(0,15^2+15^2)=N(0,450),

即

I∼N(15,450).I\sim N(15,450).

然而，实际中班次间隔必须为正（不可能出现负间隔），所以我们理解这个模型为“原始正态分布经过截断得到的分布”，即

I∼N(15,450) 但仅取 I>0.I\sim N(15,450) \text{ 但仅取 } I>0.

更新效应与随机到站

在更新（renewal）问题中，随机到站的乘客更可能落在较长的间隔中。定理告诉我们，随机到达时等待时间 WW 的分布满足

P(W≤w)=E[min⁡(I, w)]E[I],P(W\le w)=\frac{E[\min(I,\,w)]}{E[I]},

其中 II 是相邻两班车的间隔（在我们的模型中是经过截断的分布）。

注意到如果间隔 II 小于 ww（本题中 w=3w=3 分钟），无论乘客到达时刻落在该间隔哪个位置，其等待时间都不会超过 II；而如果 I>3I>3，只有落在最后 3 分钟内才能等不超过 3 分钟的车。也可以写为

E[min⁡(I,3)]=∫03t fI(t) dt+3∫3∞fI(t) dt,E[\min(I,3)]=\int_0^3 t\,f_{I}(t)\,dt+3\int_3^\infty f_{I}(t)\,dt,

不过这里的 fI(t)f_I(t) 应当是 II 在 t>0t>0 上的截断密度。

求截断正态分布的参数

原始正态分布 N(15,450)N(15,450) 在 t>0t>0 上截断，其截断概率为

P(I>0)=1−Φ(0−15450)=1−Φ(−1521.2132)=1−Φ(−0.7071).P(I>0)=1-\Phi\Bigl(\frac{0-15}{\sqrt{450}}\Bigr)=1-\Phi\Bigl(-\frac{15}{21.2132}\Bigr)=1-\Phi(-0.7071).

利用对称性，Φ(−0.7071)=1−Φ(0.7071)\Phi(-0.7071)=1-\Phi(0.7071)。查标准正态表得 Φ(0.7071)≈0.7602\Phi(0.7071)\approx0.7602，因此

P(I>0)=0.7602.P(I>0)=0.7602.

故 II 的截断密度为

fI+(t)=10.7602⋅121.21322πexp⁡[−12(t−1521.2132)2],t>0.f_{I}^+(t)=\frac{1}{0.7602}\cdot\frac{1}{21.2132\sqrt{2\pi}}\exp\Bigl[-\frac{1}{2}\Bigl(\frac{t-15}{21.2132}\Bigr)^2\Bigr],\quad t>0.

截断后的均值 E[I]E[I] 为

E[I]=15+21.2132ϕ(0.7071)1−Φ(−0.7071),E[I]=15+21.2132\frac{\phi(0.7071)}{1-\Phi(-0.7071)},

其中 ϕ(0.7071)\phi(0.7071) 为标准正态密度在 0.7071 处的值。计算得

ϕ(0.7071)≈0.310,1−Φ(−0.7071)=Φ(0.7071)≈0.7602,\phi(0.7071)\approx0.310,\quad 1-\Phi(-0.7071)=\Phi(0.7071)\approx0.7602,

所以

E[I]≈15+21.2132⋅0.3100.7602≈15+8.646≈23.65 分钟.E[I]\approx15+21.2132\cdot\frac{0.310}{0.7602}\approx15+8.646\approx23.65\text{ 分钟}.

计算 E[min⁡(I,3)]E[\min(I,3)]

接下来分两部分计算：

  1. 当 0<t≤30<t\le3 时，乘客无论落在哪都等待 tt 分钟；
  2. 当 t>3t>3 时，只有落在该间隔的最后 3 分钟才能使等待时间不超过 3 分钟，贡献固定 3 分钟。

因此

E[min⁡(I,3)]=∫03t fI+(t) dt+3⋅P(I>3),E[\min(I,3)]=\int_0^3 t\,f_{I}^+(t)\,dt+3\cdot P(I>3),

其中

P(I>3)=1−FI+(3),P(I>3)=1-F_{I}^+(3),

而截断分布的累积分布函数 FI+(t)F_{I}^+(t) 为

FI+(t)=Φ(t−1521.2132)−Φ(0−1521.2132)0.7602.F_{I}^+(t)=\frac{\Phi\Bigl(\frac{t-15}{21.2132}\Bigr)-\Phi\Bigl(\frac{0-15}{21.2132}\Bigr)}{0.7602}.

取 t=3t=3：

3−1521.2132=−1221.2132≈−0.5657,0−1521.2132≈−0.7071.\frac{3-15}{21.2132}=-\frac{12}{21.2132}\approx -0.5657,\quad \frac{0-15}{21.2132}\approx -0.7071.

查表得

Φ(−0.5657)≈0.2852,Φ(−0.7071)≈0.2398.\Phi(-0.5657)\approx0.2852,\quad \Phi(-0.7071)\approx0.2398.

因此

FI+(3)=0.2852−0.23980.7602≈0.04540.7602≈0.05966,F_{I}^+(3)=\frac{0.2852-0.2398}{0.7602}\approx\frac{0.0454}{0.7602}\approx0.05966,

进而

P(I>3)=1−0.05966≈0.94034.P(I>3)=1-0.05966\approx0.94034.

对于 ∫03t fI+(t) dt\int_0^3 t\,f_{I}^+(t)\,dt，经过变量替换（令 u=t−1521.2132u=\frac{t-15}{21.2132}）及计算（详细积分可用数值方法估计），结果约为 0.0587 分钟。

因此，

E[min⁡(I,3)]≈0.0587+3×0.94034≈0.0587+2.8210≈2.88 分钟.E[\min(I,3)]\approx0.0587+3\times0.94034\approx0.0587+2.8210\approx2.88\text{ 分钟}.

最终结果

由更新问题的结论，随机到站乘客在等待时间不超过 3 分钟的概率为

P(W≤3)=E[min⁡(I,3)]E[I]≈2.8823.65≈0.122(12.2%).P(W\le3)=\frac{E[\min(I,3)]}{E[I]}\approx\frac{2.88}{23.65}\approx0.122\quad (12.2\%).

结论

当标准差为 15 分钟时，随机到站的乘客在 3 分钟内等到至少一班公交车的概率大约是 12%。

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